Turf Talk Ep. 9 | Leadership, Advocacy & the Road Ahead with Jonathan Richardson: transcript
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0:00Speaker A From the fields that feed America to the landscapes that keep it all growing, welcome to Turf Talk.
0:05Speaker B I'm Jennifer, the Turfette Jones.
0:06Speaker A And I'm Eric, the turf teacher Jones.
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0:22Speaker B let's talk turf.
0:23Speaker A Welcome to Turf Talk. Let's get today's conversation. and start it Hey everybody, my name is Eric Jones, better known as the Turf Teacher. I'm here with my bride, the lovely Turfette, Jennifer Jones, and we have Jonathan Richardson, the president of the North Carolina Green Industry Council, here with us at Waterpalooza 2026. What's going on, Jonathan?
0:45Speaker C living the dream and enjoying the opportunity to sit down across the table from you guys and seeing you and seeing your material out there glad to be on there and
0:54Speaker A guess they're, well,
0:55Speaker C on the the glories of the North Carolina Green Industry Council well
0:58Speaker A we appreciate it. We feel honored doing that, Jennifer,
1:01Speaker B Absolutely.
1:01Speaker C well keep it up I'll take I'll take
1:04Speaker B In the who's who's.
1:06Speaker A Yeah, yeah.
1:07Speaker C well that and a nickel will get you far
1:09Speaker B There you go. Here we go.
1:11Speaker A But anyway, Jonathan, tell us first a little bit about yourself and then let's expand on what this North Carolina Green Industry Council does.
1:19Speaker C Well, I appreciate it. Again, I'm a native North Carolinian. I live in eastern North Carolina, been in the golf business for most of my life.
1:29Speaker C I was a golf course superintendent in
1:31Speaker C eastern North Carolina for about 11 years and then I got the calling to go into. sales and consulting so
1:38Speaker C I've worked with that ever since and I've been with a company called Green Resource my locations out of garter we cover North and South Carolina chemical fertilizer seed and erosion material so that's kind of what we've been I've been doing till then and then on the the side gig is volunteering giving back in the industry as much as possible through multiple associations, which I'm very proud to do.
2:04Speaker A Well, yes. And, you know, you kind of say that with enthusiasm like I do because the green industry has been good to Jennifer and I, and we want to give back as much as we possibly can to an industry that's allowed us to sustain our family and do the things that we want to do and the friendships that we have met in this industry is just amazing. I don't think you could find it. find it in any other industry like this. Could you ever have done it in the hair business?
2:31Speaker B Um, technically no. The hair business is full of a lot
2:38Speaker A Competition.
2:38Speaker B of competition, a lot of competition, a lot of emotions too in the hair business. So yeah.
2:44Speaker C Well, the green industry has got competition, but it's generally pretty friendly competition,
2:48Speaker C I think. And that is another thing. And I'll admit that's kind of how my feelings are.
2:54Speaker A There's a support network. I think the vast majority of folks in this industry recognize that when one does well, we all do well.
3:05Speaker A And I think that's really where it kind of hits home for associations. You know, we're associating with each other. It was encouraged to me by my dad who was in the water business. Ironically, we're here at
3:20Speaker C Yeah, well,
3:20Speaker A Waterpalooza,
3:22Speaker A but he was in the water treatment business for his whole career and retired in the city of Wilmington after 41 years, not there, but that was 41 years in the business. So one of the things he had really encouraged is getting involved, giving back where you can. and associate with people that are doing what you're doing.
3:45Speaker A that's something that really stuck home with me. I think with the people that I worked with and friends in the industry, we all had the same belief, and I feel like we're still doing that to this day. I think the younger generation that's coming up in the business, I feel like may not be as involved in associations.
4:04Speaker A And I think there's a myriad of different reasons for that. I think initially when I got into the business in the late 90s, early 2000s, you know, information, you had to get that either from schooling or you could or you get it through associations, meetings, conferences, et cetera. You still get that. But now, of course, we have the Internet
4:26Speaker A and AI. So it is all just going to. do everything for us, right? But the one thing it can't do is the connections that it
4:35Speaker A has, the real world experience that, you know, you talk to a friend, I have this issue, what are you doing about it? How is this helping you? And that has always resonated well for me. And just I've met a lot of great friends and contacts through this. And so I really enjoy it.
4:54Speaker F Well, good. Well, good.
4:56Speaker G Well, tell us what this association of associations
5:00Speaker A an association of associations.
5:02Speaker G the North Carolina Green Industry Council.
5:04Speaker A So, you know, again, this was another avenue I didn't really see myself going down, but I really admired those before me that really got it going. North Carolina Green Industry Council really started, again, touching water again due to a drought many years ago. Years ago, and they were like, hey, we need to get together and talk about our industry, educate and advocate,
5:32Speaker A you know, partner and try to make sure that we're growing and getting the message that we need to have out there. So basically they started up an advocacy arm, had a contractor with a lobbyist to make sure that, you know, whether you feel what you feel. own lobbyists but they are truly really important Dick
5:52Speaker A Carlton is our lobbyist and he's a fantastic guy he really has been instrumental at cutting to the chase knowing who we need to talk to so that that we're not having to spend a lot of resources chasing the the what we know who what when where and how so But, you know, really just kind of driving the narrative there. So I'd said something earlier to somebody, stop by the booth and you're talking about advocacy in the wide. I remember we were at a meeting one time with Commissioner Troxler, I believe it was,
6:27Speaker A several years ago. And it was interesting, he had said something about the importance of advocating for your industry. And I'll chop it up a little bit, but basically he said. It's like going to dinner. If you don't have a seat at the table, you're likely on the menu.
6:42Speaker A And that really resonated with me. And I'm like, this is why we're doing this.
6:46Speaker A So that we're not on the menu and the industry is too big and too important and it touches too many lives and we're really proud to. Facilitate an economic impact study, checking in fairly recently, you know, kind of touching on the importance of the green industry here in North Carolina at $15.8 billion economic impact.
7:08Speaker A So yeah, we're not a small little business.
7:11Speaker G We're not enormous. Yeah So which associations are a part of the Green Industry Council?
7:19Speaker A So I wear multiple hats,
7:24Speaker A They all don't fit all the time, but I try my best. But Turfgrass Council of North Carolina is another kind of home association for me and they're instrumental in that. North Carolina Sod Producers Association, they're also involved in that. Carolina's Irrigation Association, which we're here with this. I'm sitting here looking at our little banner over here there. You got the North Carolina Urban Forest Council as
7:49Speaker A well. And the Pine Needle Producers Association, believe it or not, is a part of it as well. So a little smaller group of very important. Think about every time you're touching pine needles all
8:00Speaker A over the place. So they're
8:02Speaker A all part of the green industry. So we've got, you know, we're all together, even though we're separate, but we have like interests. And this is where we all kind of come together in this association. So it's really not an association, it's more of an advocacy group.
8:20Speaker A But we also put together our water symposium every year. We've traditionally had it here at McKibbin Center where we're at today for waterpalooza. But we were very fortunate to try it out a new venue at the North Carolina Farm Bureau headquarters in Raleigh, and it was really well attended and a great event kind of pushing forth the discussion of water and no more important. here in North Carolina now with the drought that we've been enduring so
8:49Speaker A to have that talk and water hits all of our industries
8:52Speaker B does. It does. And, you know, like you said, we're here at Waterpalooza 2026, and so it's put on by the Carolinas Irrigation Association. And what's your, what's your leadership position within that organization.
9:06Speaker A Well, actually, I'm here from CIA. I'm not on their board.
9:11Speaker A I'm here from
9:12Speaker A a, I'm here representing the North Carolina grain industry
9:15Speaker A I'm the president with them and just we're very appreciative and kind of, you know, chance to touch and see their members and say thank you. And, you know, if they have any questions, of course, quite a few of them have been about water today. You know, what are we doing, making sure that we're. We're having that conversation. Of course, I think especially with irrigation statewide earlier in the year where there were restrictions and that hurt.
9:39Speaker A But, you know, this is why these groups are here. We've had conversations with larger municipalities like the city of Raleigh and advocating that, hey, you know. When you shut the water off, it really affects not only the lake levels, but it affects our livelihoods as well.
9:57Speaker A So, you know, making sure that we're part of that conversation that, you know, we're not questioning why they choose to do what they do, but making sure that we're part of that discussion.
10:08Speaker B And then you're a part of the Turfgrass Council of North Carolina, and you do hold some leadership positions there,
10:13Speaker B don't you?
10:13Speaker A yeah. I've been very honored. We get a great group of folks over the years, not just now. I mean, that's really been a fun group to be involved with. That's really kind of association wise one of the first ones that I got involved with many,
10:29Speaker A many years ago.
10:29Speaker A So I kind of stay around until they just tell me to go away. But I really do enjoy it and, you know, there's been so many different things and the mission of the Turfgrass Council is really just promote professionalism in the industry. And I think that's another thing that really gravitates you. There's just so many good folks in this industry and, you know, we all can learn from each other.
10:54Speaker B It is. And, you know, that was one of the. First organizations I remember my father being a part of I think in his office there's probably a little plaque either from the early 90s or
11:05Speaker A and the little little badges each year they just like we got moved away from those but yeah they're out there i still find it interesting a lot of my rounds seeing some customers i'll still see the old tc
11:17Speaker A nc sticker in some of their shop windows or they're on the file cabinet with a license plate so So it's definitely been around, I think since 1974.
11:27Speaker A So we celebrated a little over 50 years. I remember that because I love my wife. That was her birth year, too.
11:33Speaker A So as you can tell, it's like you're as old as CC&T.
11:35Speaker B Y'all celebrate the same year.
11:38Speaker A That's right. But it's just been such an impactful group. And I think people don't really understand. How impactful it has been for the turf industry, TCNC coming about. There's been some other good groups as well
11:52Speaker A that do some great stuff. But one of the big things was advocating for center funding. The Turfgrass Council lobbied several years ago to get an allocation of... a little over $400,000 a year to go to the Turfgrass Center at NC State.
12:13Speaker A That's annually.
12:14Speaker A So when we talk about, we see, and it's so much the research dollars and all of the other stuff that's out there, we still have research opportunities that we give periodically, you know, through our foundation or funds. But $400,000 roughly that come annually. dedicated for turfgrass education and research and that it's you know that was all about TCNC and
12:41Speaker A continues to do that so we're proud to keep that going and keep that going for the
12:47Speaker A whole industry as a whole
12:48Speaker D And, you know, things from my experience being in this industry, some of our clients don't understand the education and the research that's behind turfgrass. They think it's just. You know, hey, I want to start a business tomorrow. I'm going to be a landscaper, cut grass or whatever, but they do not understand the science that, you know, there's people that have PhDs in turf grass management.
13:14Speaker A I think that's so true, and I think one of the things regarding turfgrass research or any kind of research, you have industry research, of course, that's really important too, these companies coming out with fantastic technologies. that really move the whole industry forward but you know it's nice to have the university to be able to do you know maybe a different slant making sure you know non-biased you know peer-reviewed
13:40Speaker A studies and research and there has been so many positive things that come out of it I know with NC State of course all the other universities throughout the country that do such great work as well and we're at Turfgrass Council we're proud to support NC State ate my alma mater go pack um as
13:58Speaker A well so i gotta stick that in there a little bit too
14:00Speaker D that's right she's getting ready to go to nc
14:03Speaker E yeah hopefully next fall yeah
14:05Speaker A to the pack
14:07Speaker A that's for sure but but yeah they're not just them but everybody and they all interconnected so when one a bit of information comes out it benefits us all so it keeps driving forward
14:18Speaker D let me ask you a personal question when you're watching in college sports, do you typically root for the turfgrass schools? If you know that college has a turfgrass school, do you have a special place in your heart for
14:29Speaker A of course, inevitably. At least they play Clemson.
14:34Speaker B Well, true. Yeah.
14:36Speaker A God bless the Tigers,
14:37Speaker A but nonetheless a
14:38Speaker B Good turfgrass program,
14:40Speaker B but very interesting.
14:41Speaker A good, very good program. No, it is always interesting to see those out there. I do gravitate to them and you see them, you do kind of fall and kind of pull for them, but, and I'm a Homer,
14:51Speaker A you know, that's my team. And, you know, I have a default, although it's not a turf program, but my daughter. my middle daughter works over at Duke University in
15:03Speaker A sports turf
15:04Speaker A so I kind of have I'm like well she's in the turf business it is Duke they don't have turf but they do they do a great job over there so I'm very I guess as long as they're not played each other which is coming up again this
15:14Speaker A year so we'll see what happens
15:16Speaker B Yeah, this one over here is definitely not a Duke fan.
15:19Speaker C I grew up in a household where you were either a Tar Heel or a Duke fan. So we had quite the... rivalry
15:26Speaker B House divided.
15:27Speaker C in our house.
15:28Speaker A yeah you can't be both kind of like a Carolina or
15:31Speaker A you know it's kind of an interesting when you talk about sports and who you pull for and who you can tolerate and who you can't tolerate it's it's interesting but nonetheless you know I do like that like saying even at some of these universities great athletic facilities and you know there's quite a lot of not all but a lot of them come from state so you know at least
15:51Speaker A in the in the Carolinas so
15:54Speaker B Well, my next question for you is, or maybe not a question, but I want to own a year about the certified turfgrass professional put on by the Turfgrass Council of North Carolina and how our listeners could become a part of that and have their employees, you know, because you mentioned that earlier today, you know, because training and education of not only the business owners, but to have a. program that their employees can can do so
16:22Speaker B tell us about that
16:22Speaker A the North Carolina Certified Turfgrass Professional Program has been out for a number of years. It's exclusively put on by the Turfgrass Council of North Carolina in partnership with NC State University, who helped develop the program.
16:38Speaker A If you're familiar with, you may be, NC State's short course that they have. By and large, the program... Programs are very similar.
16:47Speaker A The short courses and in-person, which is basically a week long
16:52Speaker A in session, highly encourage anyone who's interested in that to do that. It's fantastic. And we kind of offer some discount opportunities that if you do go to short course, you can take the exam with us and you can gain your certified turf professional designation where
17:09Speaker A you can use that and promote yourself. through the industry in that regards but if you don't choose to go that route there is a self-study option and that's probably a little bit more popular for folks you know so with that you're kind of at your own pace which is good especially for working folks you But I would really highly encourage it. I think it's, you know, the term sharpening the axe, right? Always be learning and promoting. promoting yourself and this
17:38Speaker A is one way to do that and you touched on perhaps say landscapers have crews that they want to coach up it's a little hard to you know take the time and you know coach them up on different segments of you know turf management well this is kind of done for you you can kind of present this information to them let them kind of do that and smarter sharper employees make for better work and I think you have You have better success overall. So but but yeah, it's.
18:06Speaker C Is there any prerequisites to the course?
18:08Speaker A So we we really. The only prerequisites we have to maintain the designations is be a member of Turfgrass Council, which
18:16Speaker A we encourage everybody to
18:19Speaker A And as far as ongoing credits, we kind of adjusted a little while back. As long as you maintain a valid North Carolina pesticide license, you're getting continuing ed credits. So there's no additional continuing ed responsibility through that. So as long as you have, you maintain your membership and you maintain your membership. Continue to pass that license, but you should be doing anyway.
18:40Speaker A You're good to go.
18:42Speaker C Well, good.
18:42Speaker C Well, good.
18:43Speaker A that's, I definitely encourage.
18:44Speaker C Do you know how many active certified professionals there
18:47Speaker A believe at last count in Marcy, our chief strategy officer, she probably helped me out the specific number. I think we're touching close to 70 currently
18:58Speaker A that are on the list, if I'm not mistaken. So yes, there's room for more. We need 100.
19:04Speaker C You know, being a community college. instructor that seems like something that should just be incorporated into the program true
19:13Speaker A Well, it's interesting you bring that up. There has been discussions, and I think it could start even earlier than that. I think high school.
19:26Speaker A Fun fact, I'm a proud graduate of South Brunswick High School down in Brunswick County. Probably what kick-started partly my foray into the turf business was turf management elective in high school.
19:42Speaker A Not many places have
19:44Speaker A It was a partnership. I'm not sure if they still offer or not, but it was with Brunswick Community College that has a turf program down there. And it was with West Brunswick and South Brunswick. We were kind of a pilot program. So I was going into my... senior year and that was offered and I like well I was working at a golf course down in Southport at the time not in not in the golf maintenance side but just as a cart attendant which was a great job by the way for a high school kid
20:15Speaker A but I couldn't do that long term and I was like well this might be something into it and I was just really fascinated about it and it really kind of kick-started there so with that being said you know we're always looking for more labor in in the industry people to get into it
20:32Speaker A we definitely got to start early show people that it's an option so certified
20:37Speaker A professional program could be an entry level
20:39Speaker B so many people, especially high school students, because we have tours at the college and stuff, they really don't know what horticulture is. They don't know the opportunities. that the green industry has. I mean, you can go in so many directions and sustain a lifestyle to support a family and be happy because I've never met an unhappy person working with plants.
21:03Speaker A That's true.
21:04Speaker A you know, you may have moments and we all have
21:06Speaker A moments, but for the most part, it's a great office. You're outside and some shape or form, you're in the business and it's a fun. You know, there's a lot of instant gratification, you know, making things look better.
21:20Speaker A That was another thing. But I mean, again, talking about, you know, you never know where life leads you. I mean, I highlighted my daughter earlier. I'm very proud of her, but she was not, and I mean not interested in turf. I mean, as a dad who was golf course superintendent, it was not on her radar coming out of high school. But as she was trying to decide what she wanted to do. Um, you know, kind of looking at it, she had the opportunity to work in golf and she liked golf. I introduced her to minor league baseball. I had a good friend of mine, Alpha Jones, who's actually on our board with TCNC. He gave her an opportunity to work minor league baseball and she worked both of them at the same time and really fell in love with the sports turf side,
22:06Speaker A which led to her opportunity at Duke and she's been killing it ever since. I'm really proud of her. It's like, and everybody. You never know where
22:14Speaker C true. That's true.
22:15Speaker B Well, man, this has been a great conversation.
22:18Speaker A thank you. Appreciate our it.
22:19Speaker B listeners how they can find out more about the Green Industry Council, the Turfgrass Council of North Carolina, Carolina's Irrigation Association, and how to reach out to you.
22:28Speaker A Well, again, it's, you know, I don't do this. I'm going to say this side for Jonathan. You know, it's really all about the association and about the. those folks so turfgrass council just google you know of course we all do that you can find us there look into us get involved with us and that's the thing i can't encourage strong enough it's one thing to join and be a member say hey i'm a member that's
22:54Speaker B to be an active member
22:55Speaker A be an active member you know that's where it matters because meeting folks You know, learning things, pushing yourself out of your comfort zone. I
23:06Speaker A think we're all guilty of that. We want to do things that are comfortable or easy.
23:11Speaker A But at the end of the day, you're not growing and we all got to grow together and we're all growing things. We might as well grow your professional life and be better and give back.
23:23Speaker A And I absolutely. think that's really the take home. When you give more than you take, it's
23:27Speaker B A hundred percent.
23:28Speaker A a good day.
23:29Speaker B It is. Well, Jonathan, thank you so much, my friend. This has been a pleasure to interview you and you have some rapid fire questions
23:36Speaker C have some rapid fire questions. I've been waiting this whole interview for this.
23:40Speaker A there we go.
23:41Speaker C the best part. Okay, so the first one I've got is best business advice you've ever received.
23:48Speaker A Oh, that's a good one. Care about people.
23:53Speaker C That's a good
23:54Speaker A is about people.
23:55Speaker C Now we're going to go polar opposite. What's the worst advice you've ever gotten?
24:01Speaker A Get into the turf business. No, I'm just kidding.
24:04Speaker A Yeah, base worth of advice is chasing money, you know, going after just the flashy thing, right? Chase your passion that the money will follow.
24:14Speaker C yeah i i agree with that okay so these are gonna be fun and personal are you early bird or night owl
24:21Speaker B I like that answer.
24:23Speaker B I love it. I love it. No wonder we're alike, man.
24:26Speaker A Yes. Well, I mean, my wife, sorry, it's rapid fire, but yeah, my wife, I love her to death. I think she thinks accumulating sleep hours, it just, you get, to me, I feel like I'm missing something. So I only sleep because I have to.
24:39Speaker B I'll sleep when I'm dead.
24:41Speaker C the same that
24:42Speaker C and I are on the same page you you
24:44Speaker C are on the same
24:44Speaker A sleep and it seems to be working
24:47Speaker A let it go.
24:47Speaker C know there was a Was this a study done that women do require more sleep than men? It has everything to do with our hormone cycles that we really do have to have more sleep.
24:56Speaker A I cannot argue
24:57Speaker C down with that, okay? Okay, coffee, sweet tea, or energy drink?
25:03Speaker A I'm a coffee guy, but, you know, sweet tea certainly in the mix.
25:08Speaker C Okay, so this one, I like this one. Ford, Chevy, Ram, or Toyota?
25:14Speaker A Oh, I'm a driver ram. If you see me driving around in a bright blue Ram 1500, you can't miss me. That's it right now, but I used to be a Ford guy, so right
25:26Speaker A now it's a ram.
25:27Speaker C Changing tight. Is it a Cummins?
25:30Speaker A No, it's a Hemi.
25:30Speaker C It's a Hemi.
25:31Speaker A It's a Hemi. I'm not doing diesel. Can't afford diesel these
25:33Speaker A Yeah, days.
25:34Speaker B amen Amen to that.
25:35Speaker C a whole nother everybody conversation.
25:36Speaker A driving diesel.
25:37Speaker C I know. Beech or mountains.
25:39Speaker A I'm beach guy.
25:40Speaker C Yeah. Dogs or cats?
25:43Speaker C Steak or seafood?
25:45Speaker A Surf and turf. I could have both.
25:48Speaker C Yeah, that's kind of hard to separate
25:50Speaker C the two if you can, if you're a seafood person.
25:52Speaker A Unless you're just limiting me. Don't
25:54Speaker A limit me. I
25:54Speaker A like both.
25:55Speaker C exactly. Exactly. Favorite vacation spot?
26:03Speaker A To be honest with you, I'll say it's going to sound a little cheesy with my family wherever it is.
26:07Speaker C not cheesy. That
26:08Speaker C just shows
26:09Speaker C where your heart's at.
26:10Speaker A It's not really a spot. It's who you're with. It's who you're
26:14Speaker B I love it. First job you ever had.
26:18Speaker C washing dishes first paid job i guess
26:21Speaker C right because i mean you have to get paid for this no i washed dishes at the north carolina baptist assembly at fort caswell oak
26:30Speaker B There you go.
26:31Speaker C yeah i was slopping dishes that
26:33Speaker C was i could clean a dish yep
26:35Speaker A Mom and dad drop you off and pick you up from work or?
26:38Speaker C i couldn't drive i was 15 so
26:41Speaker C little bit until i turned 16
26:42Speaker C but uh I love it.
26:43Speaker B What was your first vehicle?
26:45Speaker C A 1990 Nissan Stanza.
26:50Speaker B I don't even think they make those anymore.
26:51Speaker C They shouldn't.
26:53Speaker C But I had a sunroof, and I thought it was the coolest thing. My dad bought me that when I was really happy with it, and it only lasted nine months, and the transmission went out, and then I bought a Mustang. Followed up. I got upgraded.
27:08Speaker B Talking about money, what's the one thing your wife would say you spend too much money on? money on that's
27:12Speaker C Oh, no, she'll say I don't spend money. I don't spend enough. She says I'm a miser.
27:18Speaker B a good thing that yeah
27:19Speaker C But no, I'm not the one. Yeah, I'm more of I'm going to put it away, save it, invest it, encourage everybody to do the thing. Think about the future.
27:30Speaker B that's not bad advice who's really the boss at home
27:37Speaker C In the end of the day, probably my wife, I would certainly say she probably Especially should. if she listens to this episode. I know, this does go out on the world. But no, we do, we work well together.
27:50Speaker B good good okay so the quickest way to lose money in this business is
28:02Speaker C Chase a fad, you know, that's
28:04Speaker B That's a good point.
28:05Speaker C chase a fad. I mean, there's a lot. And again, as someone who's in sales, I like to believe that we're selling, you can sell a lot of things, but selling things that make sense and that are proven versus chasing this sounds good. I won't, we have another podcast on what
28:25Speaker A On that whole subject.
28:25Speaker C those things are. But yeah, I think you can. Yeah, I think you can chase some fads. They're out there. Doesn't mean there isn't validity to it, but, you know,
28:36Speaker A Well, again, it goes back to you saying chase on the dollar. Don't chase the dollar, chase the passion.
28:40Speaker B it's your passion yeah
28:42Speaker C You sell yourself. You're not selling the stuff,
28:45Speaker C know, selling
28:45Speaker B is so true yeah
28:45Speaker C it very much.
28:46Speaker B um my family or your family actually not my family because you don't know my family your family would describe you as
28:56Speaker C patient patient
28:57Speaker B I like it.
29:00Speaker A I don't have enough of it.
29:01Speaker C i've i've learned it i'm probably and again if my wife was here she would
29:07Speaker A probably elaborate that he takes too long to do things
29:10Speaker A and so they're just that's procrastinate but I call it patience very
29:13Speaker C That's very thorough
29:14Speaker C and methodical
29:16Speaker B way of looking. Very strategic. I like that.
29:18Speaker C just I'm a procrastinator
29:19Speaker C but i'm really just patient
29:22Speaker A patient I'm waiting for the right time
29:24Speaker B Makes sense because I am a procrastinator, but I am also very patient.
29:28Speaker A very So patient okay.
29:29Speaker B there is something to that.
29:30Speaker A that's right
29:30Speaker B Okay. Last question. And this is going to be such deep question
29:35Speaker B I knew I was getting older when.
29:38Speaker A everything hurts well i was going to say when i started going gray or white i pretty much i'm
29:46Speaker A to have white but uh gosh that started a long time ago so
29:50Speaker B So which came first, the gray or the paint?
29:53Speaker A oh the gray certainly
29:55Speaker A i think that's hereditary i don't think uh well we just all white so
29:59Speaker A kind of looking like santa these days but but that's okay but yeah the the pains that's the encouragement for all you young people out there stretch a little every
30:09Speaker A know gosh you you get older it's
30:12Speaker B Take your joint supplements.
30:13Speaker C Oh, goodness gracious.
30:14Speaker B Watch your health. Yeah.
30:15Speaker A all good yes
30:16Speaker B Well, those were fun.
30:17Speaker A I appreciate it it
30:19Speaker B you're welcome.
30:21Speaker C All right. Good deal, guys. This is Eric Jones, better known as the Turf Teacher, signing off with my lovely bride, the Turfette. I will see you in the next lecture.
30:28Speaker B And I'll see you at the next event. Thanks for joining us today on Turf
30:35Speaker C Talk. We hope today's conversation gave you something useful and worth sharing.
30:39Speaker B Follow, subscribe, or visit us at turftalkpodcast.com for more episodes and updates. I'm Jennifer the Turfette Jones.
30:47Speaker C And I'm Eric, the turf teacher Jones.
30:49Speaker B Together we are the Green Industry Couple. Until next time,
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